's War, by Edwin Hoyt, via D. Dunthorn (more) 42-12-11 Fort Dix New Jersey Zig-zagging through North Sea at over 40 mph. 331 of 432 crew were lost from the Curacoa. Our ship is taking on water to the first bulkhead. Where could we find the list of survivors? Acadia She had the right of way, and the cruiser was in her lane of traffic. Hi my grandads brother was on the ship when it went down George Bunday if any one knows of him. John believed what he had heard was an echo of … I have 2 Christmas cards from him from the ship, both to his mother. It does appear that your wife’s grandfather was indeed my father’s brother. Our ship is taking on water to the first bulkhead. Dubbed the "Grey Ghost" because of her stealth and stark color, the Queen Mary was the largest and fastest troopship to sail, capable of transporting as many as 16,000 troops at 30 knots. The RMS Queen Mary is a retired British ocean liner that sailed primarily on the North Atlantic Ocean from 1936 to 1967 for the Cunard-White Star Line and built by John Brown & Company in Clydebank, Scotland. He was a stoker his name is Kenneth Clarkson. There were 2 of us on the poop deck on the aft of the ship and we were manning the 6 inch gun – in case we came under attack. very sad indeed. A Tribute to the Grandest Queen of all! He was a stoker. This ship aimed to compete with German superliners “Bremen” and “Europa”, that were already in service at this time, and to get ahead the construction of “Oceanic” by White Star Line that started two years before “Hull Number 534”. It is difficult to believe that in time of war ships have the abandon sailors languishing in the bitter sea to their fate because, in the case of the Queen Mary it would have been suicide to stop for survivors with it’s huge cargo of servicemen on board. It was a large 81,237-ton liner, 1,019.4 ft (310.7 m) in length and 118 ft (36.0 m) in width. 300 died and the incident was hushed up. He rejoiced in telling the tale of being brought home from New York on the Queen Mary. Sighted Ireland at 5:45 P.M. Sighted Scotland at 7:00 P.M. Land looks good especially on a leaky ship. amphibian flew over the ship at 7:00 A.M. and flashed orders. R.M.S. (total of 14,777 troops & 893 crew) Task unit 31.29.1 escorted by US McClelland (DE-750) Berth L-52, Saipan, Marianas Islands: 45-06-20: S. Harding R.M.S. So sad….. My gran’s brother was killed on the Curacoa aged 15 or 16, he lied about his age to join up. She was nicknamed the "Gray Ghost" because nobody could find her. It’s so worth a visit from us the family’s of those that perished. Construction of “Hull Number 534”, as it was called when commenced, started in 1930. We only learnt what had happened after the war. My Dad Ernest Ward was a gunner on the HMS Curacoa at the time and survived. Everyone on the alert to abandon ship if necessary. Beginning in December 1942, it did not end until April 1943. "Only be able to hold 7,000 people..."? He was an officer on the QM and on board at the time of the collision with Curacao and later was a pillar of the local community. Queen Mary, along with RMS Queen Elizabeth, were built as part of Cunard's planned two-ship weekly express service between Southampton, Cherbourg and New York. During one trip across Atlantic, the ship crossed the ocean with record 16,683 troops aboard. The profits from my book will be donated to local charity. Today while researching my family tree I have discovered that one of my distant relatives by the name of Edward Reginald Challis was a Leading Stoker on board the HMS Curacoa when it went down and perished in the accident. Now we are only convoyed by one destroyer and Flying Fortress. That he said was worse than anything. If I remember: correctly, there was a war on . Her first maiden voyage happened on May 27, 1936 when she reached the speed of 33 kn (61 km/h; 38 mph). After the end of WWII, the Queen Mary began a 10-month retrofitting process, … All of the ship’s crew called on the alert to look out for “U” boats. Some were identified, most were not. They were traveling in a zigzag pattern and the Queen Mary was going so quickly that the cruiser could not get out of the way. After being converted into a troop ship, the Queen Mary accidentally collided with a British cruiser named the Curacoa. He was 20 years old. I was most interested to read Roy Hyde’s comment. My grandmother would never have Queen Mary mentioned in her house until the day she died. Naval History Net is the primary source for information about RN ships and casualties, http://www.naval-history.net/xGM-Chrono-06CL-Curacoa.htm, http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1942-10OCT.htm#curacoalost, Is there a list of crew who perished on the ship Curacoa. Since he was only 5’6″ he was relegated to a top bunk below deck. Gordon. Queen Elizabeth and Queen Mary were used as troop transports during the war. As a child, I was very fond of him and exchanged several letters with him while he was in the Navy. It was 1942 and I was 22 years old and a Seaman in the Merchant Navy on the Queen Mary. Charles Ellis, Ordinary Seaman, C/JX 346793 missing presumed killed. I think he was rescued but not sure.he was only 42 years of age. January to June: The records of ships used to carry troops to their theaters of operations were destroyed intentionally in 1951. The Queen Elizabeth and Queen Mary, which had been called into service at the beginning of WWII, and had swapped their usual bold colours for drab grey camouflage. The words are very moving. All Digitized Passenger Lists For the RMS Queen Mary Available at the GG Archives. My Father was a stoker on HMS Curacoa and survived if anyone out there has any information I will be pleased to here from them as his Navy Record shows nothing. But it became a troop ship for the Allies as World War II began. Your email address will not be published. We travelled out on the Queen Mary which was still kitted out as a troop carrier. Cunard Pays Tribute to War Service Just some of the 15,000+ troops that would travel on each crossing of Queen Mary. Thank you for your reply. And sure enough, the Queen Mary sliced the cruiser in two like a piece of butter, straight through the six inch armoured plating. People in story: Sgt Gerald Edward Hanson. I have a copy of the video “Yesterday’s Deep Wreck Mysteries” which shows a very good animated reconstruction of the collision. $1.31 0 bids + $3.31 shipping . The Queen Mary just carried on going (we were doing about 25 knots). Tragic loss of lives. I have just visited the National Arboretum in Staffordshire. Lest we forget, all those good, dedicated, trusty men. What good we could have done with one gun, I’ve no idea! I would love to hear from any seaman that knew him. He had served in the Navy in world war one on the Royal Oak. Queen Mary and J. Holman, 735th MP Bn who was aboard : 45-06-19 RMS Queen Mary Passenger Lists 1936-1960. Overall, I thought it would be neat to do a web site about troopships. He was a watchmaker by trade and left his watchmaking tools with her on his last leave. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Dubbed, the “Grey Ghost,” the Queen Mary hauled as many as 15,000 men while playing a pivotal role in guiding the allied forces to victory. Captain David Bowley please contact me regarding my father, Richard John Myers DSM. It’s a shame that there’s no memorial here either. Fortuantely, before he died, he managed to meet one of the survivors who was with Donald as the ship went down. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Missed him all of his life. My Dad was only 5 at the time.. Gone was the famous black and white hull with orange-red stacks. HMS Curacoa (D41), a light cruiser, commissioned in 1918. They all saw a gigantic hole in the Queen Mary. As his body was never recovered he is also commemorated on Portsmouth Naval Memorial. Acadia German troops endure Eastern Front trench warfare, The 1st of Chaos, 3183 | A Wilderness of Peace, 10th May 1943: The British prepare to discuss the War with the Americans. King George V chose the name Queen Mary for the ship in honor of his wife. My nan always had a picture pride of place whilst she was alive at her house of her mother & father (Charles) before he went off to war in his navy uniform. Listing Includes Date Voyage Began, Steamship Line, Vessel, Passenger Class and Route. Queen Mary as troop ship (Part 1) After tea up to Prom deck, terrifically crowded -—RAF dance band in operation — very hot with... Queen Mary as troop ship (Part 2) Why were WWII helmet designs so different by country & which design was the most effective? He was not able to tell them . It sank in about four minutes. Another piece discusses the war-time role of the Queen Mary: Eventually, the ship’s troop-carrying capacity was increased to 16,000 men. A cruiser called HMS Curacao met us 200 miles off the coast to escort us into Greenock. My grandfather Ernest Beckley travelled across the Atlantic on the Queen Mary during the war guarding Churchill I believe? johnbk1@blueyonder.co.uk, My brother thinks are father was aboard the curacoa in ww2 he was merchant seaman Dutch and was stationed in Scotland, he Was on the volendamwhen it was torpedoed around Ireland by u boat He was the 7th of 8 children and is remembered. One of those who died on the Curacoa was George Percival Windsor Cunliffe, the father of Prof. Barry Cunliffe. Hi there, Queen Elizabeth and Queen Mary were used as troop transports during the Second World War. Read more of this story on BBC People’s War. My father, was on the Queen Mary , when this tragedy happened. World War II Troopship Crossings departing in 1944. Queen Mary: 735th Military Police Battalion, as part of 12,326 American troops and 2,200 Navy personnel, and one lone Congressman. Another piece discusses the war-time role of the Queen Mary: Eventually, the ship’s troop-carrying capacity was increased to 16,000 men. My father, Francis S. Kalinowski, was a Warrant Officer in the United States Army Air Forces and was being transported the Queen Mary with his squadron at the time. In this particular case however the escort was very, very close to us. What he was able to say was that when he got home to Hull no-one knew of the sinking. Our speed reduced to 10 mph. The Queen Mary was under strict orders not to stop for anything and continued on to Scotland, where she was outfitted with a concrete plug and sailed to Boston for more permanent repairs. My father was 22 and on the Queen Mary when it struck the Curacoa. "According to our [U. By the way the ship’s name was HMS CURACOA not Curacao. Rita He passes away, but he wouldn’t talk about what happened. Friday, October 2, 1942 – R.A.F. My mother in law also i am sure would be too. Now we are only convoyed by one destroyer and Flying Fortress. Unfortunately, we have lost all contact with our uncles close family, but now at this most piognant time we would very much like to make contact again. My dad said he was on the ship that sank .And said it was kept quiet. There is no other hotel in the world with the legendary stories that The Queen Mary has. Because many of the lost sailors were from the Humber Branch of RNVR their wives came to Harry’s house expecting him to have information about their menfolk as he was home. I like your piece above on the Queen Mary and HMS Curacao. However, it was getting harder and harder to compete with airlines, so Queen Mary had to be decommissioned. is there a site where I can find a list of crew aboard the QM? Ship is really rocking and rolling. He was a stoker. Hi my uncle Arther Lovell was on the HM Curaçao’s, he sent a lovely imbrodied Christmas card with a photo of him and the ship at Malta to my mum his sister and mother of pear broach with HM Curacao in gold of brass written on it. Listing Includes Date Voyage Began, Steamship Line, Vessel, Passenger Class and Route. My dad Harold Schefferle was on it when that happened. On the ship at the same time as my Dad! Our ship really jarred at the impact and we all thought we caught a torpedo. Queen Mary as troop ship (Part 1) After tea up to Prom deck, terrifically crowded -—RAF dance band in operation — very hot with... Queen Mary as troop ship (Part 2) The two ships collided with each other at 2:12 pm. World War II collision between troop ship Queen Mary and escort Curacoa after leaving Greenock. I forgot to add that Churchill was on the Queen Mary 3 times, once in May 1943, twice in August 1943. Ancient Rome used the navis lusoria, a small vessel powered by rowers and sail, to move soldiers on the Rhine and Danube. stephenntly@hotmail.com, My father Kenneth Knowles was a petty officer(gunner) on the Queen Mary at the time of the tragedy. Plus, anyone who has ever gone to the Queen Mary can’t help come away impressed by the chapter of the ship’s life when it was a troopship — including accidentally and tragically slicing another ship in two during a foggy convoy run. Does anyone have details about him. Perhaps he is among them…….. R.I.P. SCottish isllands, anyone remember Ted WElls. He could not remember how it happened. All of the ship’s crew called on the alert to look out for “U” boats. HMT Queen Mary 10,389 troops and 950 crew sailed alone Gourock, Scotland 42-12-14 S. Harding R.M.S. He also shared that part of his “nervous” condition post WWII was from awakening to the screech of the ship being cut in half and his going topside to see it go down, and the men disappearing from sight, his feeling of helplessness the Queen unable by rule to stop and rescue. My Uncle Chief Petty Officer Roy Myers was one of the sailors lost on Curacoa in the collision with RMS Queen Mary in 1942. Grandpa slept on the E deck section X. Given his station on the ship, he was certain that he too would have perished . Overall, I thought it would be neat to do a web site about troopships. The two ships were a British response to the express superliners built by German, Italian and French companies in the late 1920s and early 1930s. I have been to the cemetery at Oban also visited the museum there. The limited number of other troop ships were smaller, and usually had to travel in slower escorted convoys because of the submarine threat. This is his account from his diary: Friday, October 2, 1942 – R.A.F. Dubbed the "Grey Ghost" because of her stealth and stark color, the Queen Mary was the largest and fastest troopship to sail, capable of transporting as many as 16,000 troops at 30 knots. My father, James Rand, was the ship’s electrical officer. This is a great record kept by Sgt Gerald Edward Hanson, RAF, Journey on the Queen Mary from Greenock to Egypt, 21.12.1942 to 25.1.1943. A strict order to keep moving and not to stop under any circumstances, even for salvation those who in distress. She was converted to a troop ship, first ferrying Aussie and New Zealander troops to the UK, and then later, US troops across the Atlantic. His name was Arthur Blott. She could move an entire army division in one voyage. He recuperated in Greenland due to oil on his skull, that effected him all his life. News of the collision was suppressed until after the war. 2nd October 1942: Troopship liner Queen Mary sinks HMS Curacoa. Such a waste of life. I can only imagine. She sank six minutes later with a loss of 338 men – from a total crew of 439. World War II Front Line Nurse was anchored at Pier 90. His name was gerardus Andreas sinck any information, Thank you My Uncle Wilfred Willmott -nicknamed Bunny-was an engineering artificer on board and went down with her but his body was found later on Arisaig. Queen Mary: 735th Military Police Battalion, as part of 12,326 American troops and 2,200 Navy personnel, and one lone Congressman. My mother said that the scars of the collision could still be seen on the QM’s bow. THE SINKING Enoch Foster Drafted to HMS BRAMHAM 31 May 1942-- 7 March 1943. She could move an entire army division in one voyage. More information. He wasn’t a sailor but volunteered from the pioneer Corp. See also the account of Francis S. Kalinowski, a Warrant Officer in the United States Army Air Forces, who was on board the Queen Mary at the time, first left in the comments. Learn how your comment data is processed. I have tried without success to find anything out about him. Duke street is correct. In the era of the Cold War the United States designed the SS United States so that it could easily be converted from a liner to a troopship, in case of war. He told me the story back in the 60’s . We could see our escort zig-zagging in front of us – it was common for the ships and cruisers to zig-zag to confuse the U-boats. come to an end with the surrender of Japan there remained the enormous task of bringing home the thousands of military personnel scattered across the globe It sank in about four minutes. Since she was the fastest ship in the… The RMS Queen Mary was used as a troopship throughout World War II and usually crossed the Atlantic without an escort, relying on her speed to evade the U-Boats. "According to our [U. S. National Archives] records, in 1951 the Department of the Army destroyed all passenger lists, manifests, logs of vessels, and troop movement files of United States Army Transports for World War II." This caused the Queen Mary to be referred to as the “Grey Ghost”. I have just explained the background of this event to my 2 very successful children, who are Scottish/German. I remember him coming to see his sister (my mother) on one of his shore leaves. My great uncle, James Docherty, Royal Marine, went down as a result of this collision. Sadly I have lost my Dad now! My dad served on the Queen Mary, and a few times he told me of this story. My Mum was in the WRNS during the war and had HMS Pembroke on her hat. Her exterior was repainted battleship gray during World War II, and the Queen Mary served as a troop transport ship. With her record-breaking speed and size, the Queen Mary is retrofitted to serve as a troop ship during WWII. With her sister ship Queen Elizabeth, the two "Queens" enabled D-day to happen in 1944 and not in 1945. These massive ships made several voyages across the Atlantic to bring the troops home. Although she was originally constructed as an ocean liner, in February 1940, the RMS Queen Elizabeth entered service as troop transport ship and was released from war duty about six years later. "According to our [U. S. National Archives] records, in 1951 the Department of the Army destroyed all passenger lists, manifests, logs of vessels, and troop movement files of United States Army Transports for World War II." Rushed out on deck in time to see stern part of cruiser turn up on end and go down in icy waters. His theory is that the Curacoa likely/possibly detected a german submarine and was trying to guard the QE1. The GRO Marine Deaths Indices names his vessel as HMS Pembroke. After the end of the war, the liner continued to serve transatlantic line. My uncle Francis Robert Fraser was one of the many crew members who sadly did not survive this tragic incident. Two destroyers turned back to pick up cruiser survivors. Her luxurious interiors were stripped and placed in storage in New York and Sydney, Australia and painted entirely in grey. Perhaps her most important mission was during World War II. What a deep debt of gratitude we owe to these brave men. What a shame the names of the people in the images above are not recorded. My elder brother was one of the unfortunate ones to perish. Ships to transport troops were used in Antiquity. Thousands of Jews worshipped in the ship’s temple from 1936-1939, as did hundreds of Jewish soldiers once the ship was converted to a troop carrier. Saving Private Ryan Depicted War So Realistically That It Triggered PTSD among Veterans Who Watched It, The B-32 Dominator: The Heavy Bomber in Service for Less Than a Year, Company Imports Trove of M1 Carbines from Ethiopia to Sell in US. My father’s brother, Donald Eaton, was one of those lost. Ww2 German Mountain Troop, Queen Mary Model In Cunard Ship Collectibles, Wwii Marine In other Ww2 Original Us Collectibles, Ww2 Navy Hat Indiana WWII US Pins, Wwii Grouping In Original Ww2 Collectible Us Uniforms, WW2 Jacket, WW2 Bayonet, WW2 German Ring, WW2 German Badge, 4x6 American Flag Plus, anyone who has ever gone to the Queen Mary can’t help come away impressed by the chapter of the ship’s life when it was a troopship — including accidentally and tragically slicing another ship in two during a foggy convoy run. The Queen Mary hit the Curacoa amidships, cutting it in two. Rushed out on deck in time to see stern part of cruiser turn up on end and go down in icy waters. God bless them all. She was painted a camouflaged grey color and stripped of her luxurious amenities. Queen Mary as troop ship WW2 WWII podcast. My father, John Richardson, a signalman on the Curacoa, lost his life in that incident. I would like to be able to contact you and learn more about your family and maybe about what your father did before the Navy. John Brown & Company in Clydebank, Scotland, built it for Anglo-American cruise line Cunard. It was a large 81,237-ton liner, 1,019.4 ft (310.7 m) in length and 118 ft (36.0 m) in width. R.I.P. The RMS Queen Mary of the Cunard Line.GGA Image ID # 13edc635ec. "Captain" Will Kayne gave an overview of the history of the hotel and former ocean liner RMS Queen Mary, including her service as a troop ship during World War II. My “uncle” Harry Ellis survived the collision. After two stops to refuel and replenish her stores in Trinidad and Cape Town, she arrived in Singapore's Naval Docks where she was fitted with anti-aircraftguns, and her hull repainted black, although her superstructure remained grey. More, Grey Ghost always moved in a zigzag pattern, to avoid possible unnoticed torpedo attacks. He was a stoker from Hull. I bought a brooch with H.M.S.Curacao on it.Names are on memorial at Chatham.Every year I lay a wreath in memory of my Dad and all the crew who died.It was kept secret for 10 years until the case went to court . My great uncle Alexander (sandy) Ferguson was a stoker on the coracoa. He said they were packed as tight as sardines in a can with about 20,000 troops, when suddenly the Queen Mary jolted and shuttered violently throwing him and others from their bunks to the floor. He had a picture of the Queen Mary that my sister still has. All Digitized Passenger Lists For the RMS Queen Mary Available at the GG Archives. ritareynolds77724@gmail.com, My uncle was on HMS CURACAO when she went down, but he was one of the lucky ones and survived. RIP. My Grandfather Royal Marine Ernest Davis also perished on Hms Curacoa. While some ships were prized for their troop carrying capacity, others were converted into armed merchant ships. My interest is that I am in the process of writing a small book about a local Belfast man called George Johnston who passed away a couple of years ago. (total of 14,777 troops & 893 crew) Task unit 31.29.1 escorted by US McClelland (DE-750) Berth L-52, Saipan, Marianas Islands: 45-06-20: S. Harding R.M.S. It was the policy not to stop and pick up survivors even if they were waving at you. Required fields are marked *. This was a cover name used at the time (WWII) to disguise various Naval postings, including WRNS working at Bletchly Park. Author’s private collection. 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